Etsi deus non daretur  

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"Etsi deus non daretur"--On the Law of War and Peace (1625) by Hugo Grotius

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"Etsi deus non daretur" is a dictum by Hugo Grotius found in On the Law of War and Peace (1625).

It is usually translated as "as if God did not exist."

"The expression "Veluti si Deus daretur" means "as if God existed" and it is usually contrasted with the one improperly attributed to Hugo Grotius (the famous jurist) "etsi Deus non daretur", which means "even if God did not exist" but is normally translated "as if God did not exist". However, in his work De iure belli ac pacis, Prolegomena, 11, Grotius actually wrote "Et haec quidem quae jam diximus, locum aliquem haberent etiamsi daremus, quod sine summo scelere dari nequit, non esse Deum, aut non curari ab eo negotia humana" (and what I have already said would subsist even if we considered, which we cannot do without committing a big crime, there is no God or he is not interested in human affairs)."[1]


See also

  • Et haec quidem quae jam diximus locum aliquem haberent, etiamsi daremus, quod sine summo scelere dari nequit, non esse Deum, aut non curari ab eo negotia humana
  • Dietrich Bonhoeffer (1906-1945)
  • Existence of God




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