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-As [[Montaigne]] reminds us at the end of the century, '[[Et les Roys et les philosophes fientent, et les dames aussi]] ... how were scatology and scatological +"'''Et les Roys et les philosophes fientent, et les dames aussi'''" (Both kings and philosophers shit, and ladies do, as well) is a dictum from [[Essays (Montaigne) |Montaigne's Essays]], from the chapter "[[Of Experience]]" [http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Essais/Livre_III/13].
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-[[Montaigne and Etienne de La Boétie]]+
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-"[[Happy are you, reader, if you do not belong to this sex to which all good is forbidden]]"+Two historical translations:
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-[[Herbert Read]]'s ''[[The Meaning of Art]]'' see prev. post.+
-From top to bottom+John Florio translation: "Kings and Philosophers obey nature, and goe to the stoole, and so doe Ladies."
-*[[The Great Wave off Kanagawa]]+Charles Cotton translation: "Both kings and philosophers go to stool, and ladies too."
-*?+==Etymology==
-*[[The Persistence of Memory]]+'''Fientent''' is derived from fiente, from vulgar Latin ''[[fimum]]'', [[dung]], [[ordure]], [[excrement]].
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-:[[yareta]] plants possesses strangeness in beauty.+
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-In January 2008 I posted an entry on "ugly plants.[http://jahsonic.wordpress.com/2008/01/22/ugly-plants/]"+
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-Today, I buy [[Herbert Read]]'s ''[[The Meaning of Art]]''[http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/pelican-books/183-1.jpg] (1968) and I find the quote [[There is no excellent beauty, that hath not some strangeness in the proportion]] by [[Francis Bacon]].+
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-It comes from Bacon's very short aesthetics essay ''[[Of Beauty]]''[http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Essays_%28Francis_Bacon%29/Of_Beauty].+
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-[[Poe]] was fond of quoting it and [[Baudelaire]] made it his own via Poe in the [[motto]] "[[le beau est toujours bizarre]]".+
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-[[RIP Corneille]], 88, [[Dutch artist]]. +
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-''[[Au sein du désert, il y a encore de la place pour les jeux]]'' (1949), [[Galerie Moderne]], was his [[most expensive artwork]].+
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-"[[Self-portrait in the Studio]]" at the [[Real Academia de Bellas Artes de San Fernando]] in [[Madrid]].+
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-[[Hvítserkur]] [[natural wonder]]+
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-[[History of the maja vestida and the maja desnuda (Spanish language text from Wikipedia)]]+
 +==See also==
 +*"Au plus eslevé throne du monde si ne sommes assis que sus nostre cul" ("Upon the highest throne in the world, we are seated, still, upon our arses"), "[[Of Experience]]"[http://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Essais/Livre_III/13], translated by Cotton as "when seated upon the most elevated throne in the world, we are but seated upon our breech."
 +*[[Corporeality in Montaigne]]
 +*[[Toilet philosophy]]
 +*[[Egality]]
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"Et les Roys et les philosophes fientent, et les dames aussi" (Both kings and philosophers shit, and ladies do, as well) is a dictum from Montaigne's Essays, from the chapter "Of Experience" [1].

Two historical translations:

John Florio translation: "Kings and Philosophers obey nature, and goe to the stoole, and so doe Ladies."

Charles Cotton translation: "Both kings and philosophers go to stool, and ladies too."

Etymology

Fientent is derived from fiente, from vulgar Latin fimum, dung, ordure, excrement.

See also

  • "Au plus eslevé throne du monde si ne sommes assis que sus nostre cul" ("Upon the highest throne in the world, we are seated, still, upon our arses"), "Of Experience"[2], translated by Cotton as "when seated upon the most elevated throne in the world, we are but seated upon our breech."
  • Corporeality in Montaigne
  • Toilet philosophy
  • Egality




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